KGYSAK: 에 vs 에서

Thus begins the first of a series of simple grammar points that intermediate speakers should already know but for some reason still are not 100% confident on. What better way to start out this series than the bane of my linguistic existence:

에 versus 에서
(locative particles)
(조사 = particles)

I freaking hate these two. I mix them up and all they do is piss me off. Really.

The problem is complicated. "~에" is versatile and performs many functions. It can indicate time as in:
"다섯 시 반에 끝나요" (It ends at 5:30)
"7시에 약속 있는데" (I have plans at 7:00)
"지난 월요일에 사무실에 안 갔어" (I didn't go to work last Monday)
"다음 달에 시험 있어요?" (Do we have a test next time [class]?)

"~에서" wears many faces, too. When combined with "~까지", they form a cute little duo that help to indicate where and when someone is coming from and going to as in:
"7시에서 10시까지 수업 있어요" (I have class from 7pm to 10pm)
"KTX로 서울에서 부산까지 갈 수 있어요" (You can ride the KTX from Seoul to Busan)

I'm embarrassed that I even get them confused. I have been getting better at learning to use the proper one but still... One thing that I hear that helps to remember is that "~에서" is attached to a static location such as a restaurant, a room, a movie theater, swimming pool or home. But what, you say, is different between a location and a static location? Isn't it all just the same?

Yes. Basically.

For example, someone tells me that Starbucks is a static location (or an inanimate object) because it just sits there and can't move. This contrasts with a place that constantly moves like a car or your mother. Fair enough. I should use "~에서" As in "스타벅스에서 만나자!" (let's meet up at Starbucks!)

But then tell me why 서울 (Seoul) the city, the huge metropolis, the home of 18 million plus souls, is considered not a static location cause it can move, apparently. If you want to reference a place like Seoul, in this context, one must use "~에" as in "서울에 만나자!" (let's meet up in Seoul!)

"Oh, simple Matthew..." you say with a grin, "..that's because in English "in" means "~에" and "at" means "~에서"." Okay smart guy. Let's try it, shall we?

"이화여자대학교에서 공부해요" (I study at Ewha)
"도서관에서 공부해요" (I study in the library) no...wait. (I study at the library)....is that right? how about (To the library I study)...umm.. what about (Library is the place in which I study) yeah that's better.

See my confusion and sarcasm? It's confusing because it's not a 1:1 translation. For the most part, "책" equals "book" and thus a 1:1 translation between English and Korean does occur. However, the same cannot be true for our little location particles. These simple little particles seems to mess me up all the time.

So, keep in mind that "~에' can mean (at, on, in, to) and "~에서" can mean (in, at, from) but not exclusively limited to these definitions. Think outside the box. Try thinking in Korean when trying to speak Korean instead of translating what you want to say from English to Korean. Easier said than done, I know. This is when I turn to rote memorization. My secret weapon and quite an effective one, I might add.

What do I commit to memory? This:

"~에서" is used with "만나다", "왔어" and other verbs
"~에" is used with "있다" "없다" "가다" "오다" and other verbs.


Proper examples of "~에서" include:
"오늘 학교에서 싸웠어" (Today I fought at school)
"방금 공원에서 이효리 봤어" (I just saw Hyori Lee at the park)
"집에서 낮잠을 잤어요" (I took a nap at home)
"어디에서 왔어요?" (Where did you come from?)
"미국에서 왔어요." (I came from America)
"광화문역 오호선에서 만나래?" (Do you wanna meet up at Gwanghwamun Station Line 5?)
"중국에서 중국어를 배웠어요" (I learned Chinese in China)

Proper examples of "~에" include:
"지금 사무실에 있어" (I'm at the office right now)
"내일 우리 집에 오세요 (Tomorrow, come over to my house)
"어디에 갔다왔어?" (Where did you go [just now]/[on vacation]?)
"호주에 갔다왔어" (I went to [and came back from] Australia)
"어디에 살아요?" (Where do you live?)
"한국에 살고있어" ([Right now] I live in Korea [but it's just temporary])
"어제 현대백화점에 갔어" (Yesterday, I went to [the] Hyundai Department Store)
"책상위에 열쇠 있어" (The keys are on my desk)
"창문 앞에 있어" (It's in front of the window)
"서울에 사람이 많아" (There are a lot of people in Seoul)
"지금 형이 집에 없다고?" (Did you say that your brother is not home right now?)
"집에 가" (Go home)

But this doesn't always work. One can find contradictions to this 'rule' easily. If I were to translate "There are many flowers at the park" or "There are many beautiful women in Sinchon" can you guess what I use? That's right. I would break the 'rule' and use "~에". Thus, my rule is lame. I guess what really helps me is context. The more I hear "~에" and "~에서" being properly used in a Korean context, the more I understand it. When I do accidentally reverse them, it does seem kind of funny. One time I meant to say:
"집에 왔어요" (I'm home [while talking on the phone to your wife])
but instead said this:
"집에서 왔어요" (I am a citizen of a place "HOME"; lit. I come from home)

And of course the part that just adds the icing to the already sour cake, "~에" isn't even needed sometimes. In some short sentences, just omit them. As in:
"학교 가자" (let's go to school)
"어디 있어?" (where is it?)

But it seems "~에서" is always needed and is never omitted.

FML. The first of many Korean Grammar You Should Already Know.

Title: Integrated Korean: Beginning 2 (Klear Textbooks in Korean Language)
Author: 
Hyo Sang Lee, Carol Schulz, Ho-Min Sohn, Sung-Ock Sohn, Young-Mee Cho 
Paperback: 336 pages
Publisher: University of Hawaii Press; illustrated edition (September 2000)
ISBN-13: 978-0824823436 


Out of all the self-paced textbooks available, this series isn't perfect but it does get the job done. This particular textbook (Beginning Level 2) is very useful and contains some of the best explanations of Korean grammar I've ever seen. If you are a native English speaker and want to learn Korean grammar and incidental vocabulary, pick up this book.

Remember this textbook is designed to be used in a classroom; namely the University of Hawaii. It outlines the goals, vocabulary and grammar points quite well and actually fits a self-paced and self-determined student quite well outside of the classroom. The chapters are logically laid out and are never too difficult to follow. This book not only takes it slow, but systemically explains and compares previous grammar points to avoid confusion.

Like the other books in the series, the publication date is dated and needs an update. Almost ten years since the last one. However, unlike the previous book in the series (Beginning Level 1) this book stays pretty natural throughout the text. The situations are mostly quite believable and the appropriate level of speech is used most of the time. I found myself pleasantly surprised at the scripts. It rarely felt like a textbook in that it didn't feel dry.

All in all, it's a relatively cheap and easily obtainable self-study resource for explaining Korean grammar in English. I highly recommend it as an additional if not primary resource for studying Korean.

Title: Integrated Korean: Beginning 1 (Klear Textbooks in Korean Language)
Author: Hyo Sang Lee, Carol Schulz, Ho-Min Sohn, Sung-Ock Sohn, Young-Mee Cho 
Paperback: 352 pages
Publisher: University of Hawaii Press (June 2000)
ISBN-13: 978-0824823429  
 

Out of all the self-paced textbooks available, this series isn't perfect but it does get the job done. This particular textbook (Beginning Level 1) is actually a bit advanced in terms of being "newbie" friendly. Frankly saying, it's not for absolute beginners. But I wouldn't dismiss it just yet. It's got a lot to offer.

Remember this textbook is designed to be used in a classroom; namely the University of Hawaii. It outlines the goals, vocabulary and grammar points quite well and actually fits a self-paced and self-determined student quite well outside of the classroom. The chapters are logically laid out and are never too difficult to follow. This book takes it slow. Another good thing about this book is the optional workbook that accompanies it which contains one of the best worksheets for learning to read and write 한글.

My only gripe is the publication date: 2001. Ouch. The other problem is that this book, like countless others, tends to be a bit too polite at first to be functional in a real life setting. The presentation is almost robotic in the first few chapters. But fear not, the book does grow out of it later and is much more native sounding by the next textbook (Beginning Level 2).

All in all, it's a relatively cheap and easily obtainable self-study resource for explaining Korean grammar in English. I highly recommend it as an additional if not primary resource for studying Korean. 

UPDATE: new edition as of Nov 2009! ISBN: 978-0824834401


Title: Pathfinder in Korean II - Low Intermediate
Author: Ewha Language Center
Paperback: 480 pages
Publisher: Ewha Womans University Press (January 1, 1999)
ISBN-13: 978-8973004607 

If you want to study Korean by yourself, this isn't the book to buy. However, you you're studying Korean at Ewha Women's University, you don't have much choice. Thankfully, this book is leaps and bounds better than the one that it followed (Level I).

Like the other textbooks in the series, It's written in 99% Korean so get ready to freak out if you're a true beginner. However, unlike the previous book, the illustrations and layout has changed slightly; thankfully all for the better. The cartoons look more sharp and the textbook now includes a common sayings section that focuses on three new expressions surrounding one common word. For example, three new phrases revolving around the Korean word for 'foot'.

Ultimately, the textbook is a reference book to be used with slides, board work and other worksheets to be passed out in class. The authors have carefully written just enough in the book to be useful in class but not enough to be useful out of class. The accompanying translation reference book fills in some of the gaps, but make no mistake - you have to go to class to get the full treatment.

Another new addition, albeit kind of inappropriate for lower intermediate learners, is the writing section. Of course I think writing is important, but the writing samples are much too difficult for the level stated. Perhaps after a rewrite (read: watering down) the writing section could be more useful.

Other than that, this book is much more useful and easy to follow than the previous but it still has a ways to go. However, as of this writing (Feb 2010) I believe that the books are being revised so this might all be irrelevant.

http://elc.ewha.ac.kr/

A post long time coming, today will be a four-part post covering four self-study books that I would like to talk about briefly. These resources were mentioned in the entry full of advice: Korean Self-Studying Advice.

The Ewha books (Pathfinder) aren't complete garbage but they get the job done. Use them in class and forget about them later. The real pearls I want to share are the KLEAR books used at the University of Hawaii. Those are self-study gems. What I didn't mention in the review was the free online audio files available for those who want them.

Readers of my other blog will notice a familiar book review layout. Enjoy!

Title: Pathfinder in Korean I - Beginning
Author: 
Ewha Language Center
Paperback: 360 pages
Publisher: 
Ewha Womans University Press (January 1, 1999)
ISBN-13: 978-8973004560 


If you want to study Korean by yourself, this isn't the book to buy. However, you you're studying Korean at Ewha Women's University, you don't have much choice. But, that doesn't mean that this book is no good. It just won't blow you out the water.

However, if you only have three weeks in the summer to fit in a formal (albeit intensive) Korean language course, then this book along with the class at Ewha is not bad at all. It's written in 99% Korean so get ready to freak out if you're a true beginner. The class is intense but the book follows the coursework logically. The textbook has cute little cartoon drawings to help you understand what in the world your teacher is talking about while the workbook is challenging but not overwhelming.

Ultimately, the textbook is a reference book to be used with slides, board work and other worksheets to be passed out in class. The authors have carefully written just enough in the book to be useful in class but not enough to be useful out of class.

I had a great experience doing the short-term summer class back in 2008 and felt that the textbooks got the job done. My biggest gripe is that the book is written in the most formal polite language possible. You will be sound like you're talking to the president of Korea but what's more important is that you'll be actually talking. Also, the cultural propaganda is pretty high but it's easy to see through all of it with a well-trained eye.

If you have been studying by yourself for a while and find that your speaking skills are not exactly up to par, the course with the book set will help for sure. The book isn't perfect but it's cheap (less than 35 bucks for the whole set - four books) available to purchase at Ewha's language center (where you take the language class).

However, as of this writing (Feb 2010) I believe that the books are being revised so this might all be irrelevant.

http://elc.ewha.ac.kr/

결혼식 단어

Normally I don't crosspost from my reference guide as it is always changing. However, do to the fickleness of the internet and the absence of similar content available, it would be a disservice not to mention these valuable terms. During this whole process, these words have made me feel so much better about the wedding. Of course, all work is courtesy of very feisty young woman whom I know very well.

originally posted at Matthew + Korean = Fun (please click here for the most up-to-date version)


General wedding terms
혼인 Marriage
혼배 marriage (a term used in the Catholic church)
결혼식 Wedding Ceremony
예식 wedding
신랑 Groom
신부 Bride
신부님 Catholic priest
택일 choosing the date (택- to choose, 일- date in Hanja)
예물 wedding gifts
예복 formal dress/ wedding dress, wedding suit
주례 moderator for the wedding
사회 moderating speaker who lead the wedding preparation
하객 guests to wedding
가족, 친지 Family, relatives
양가 both families (양 both, 가 family in Hanja)
지인 acquaintances, friends
연주 musical performance
축의금 congratulatory money
촬영 photo shots
원판 original shots
본식 actual wedding (본 actual, basic, foundation in Hanja)
청첩장 wedding invitation card
피로연 reception
방명록 guest book
신부대기실 bride room
폐백 preparation of gifts and polite family greeting ceremony from brides’ family to groom’s family
신혼 new marriage (신 means new in Hanja)

Cathedral terms
묵주반지 Catholic rings
가나혼인강좌 Pre-Cana class (marriage prep class)
혼인성사 a nuptial mass
혼배성사 a nuptial mass
성당 Cathedral, catholic church (distinguished from 교회 which is a general term for a Protestant church)
본당 Church hall
성수 holy water
성가 holy songs (Mass songs)
수녀님 Sister, nun
세례증명서 Certificate of baptism

Document terms
가족관계증명서 Birth certificate
혼인관계증명서 Marriage certificate
주민등록증 ID card (Korean social security card)
증명하다 to certify, to prove
등록하다 to register
가족관계 증명서 Family Relationship Certificate (registry)
혼인관계 증명서 Marriage/Single Status Certificate
주민등록증 Korean identification card

As marriage is approaching, I can think of twelve reasons why I should not only repost this, but memorize this list. Memorize, Matthew, memorize...

reposted from Juan-Karl's blog

Twelve Rules for a Happy Marriage
행복한 결혼을 위한 12가지 규칙

Never both be angry at once.
둘이서 동시에 화내지 마라.
Never yell at each other unless the house is on fire.
집에 불이 나지 않는 한 고함을 지르지 마라.
Yield to the wishes of the other as an exercise in self-discipline if you can’t think of a better reason.
더 좋은 이유를 생각할 수 없다면 자기 수양의 차원에서 상대방의 요구에 양보해라.
If you have a choice between making yourself or your mate look good, choose your mate.
파트너를 좋게 보이게 할것인가 자신을 좋게 보이게 할 것인가의 문제가 있으면 파트너를 선택하라.
If you feel you must criticize, do so lovingly.
비판할 점이 있으면 사랑스런 자세로 하라.
Never bring up a mistake of the past.
과거의 실수를 들추지 마라.
Neglect the whole world rather than each other.
서로를 잊어버리니 차라리 세상일을 잊어버려라.
Never let the day end without saying at least one complimentary thing to your life partner.
상대방에게 따뜻한 말한마디없이 하루를 끝내지 마라.
Never meet without an affectionate greeting.
애정있는 말없이 만나서는 안된다.
When you’ve made a mistake, talk it out and ask for forgiveness.
실수를 했다면 그것을 말하고 용서를 빌어라.
Remember, it takes two to make an argument. The one who is wrong is the one who will be doing most of the talking.
기억해라. 논쟁이 있으려면 두 사람이 있어야 한다. 잘못한 사람이 가장 많은 말을 하는 사람이다.
Never go to bed mad.
화난 채로 자지 말라.

What a great list. I'm curious where the author got it originally because he doesn't seem to have much else in terms of Korean language on his blog. I wonder if it is natively Korean or if it is French just translated into English and Korean? Anyone have an idea?